383toast 4 hours ago

summary:

The creator argues that most dishwashers are designed to use a pre-wash dose and a main wash dose of detergent, a fundamental often ignored by single-dose pods, and presents independent ASTM testing confirming the new powder matches or exceeds the performance of a leading premium pod. The video also features a detailed demonstration using temperature logging and peanut butter to stress the importance of purging cold water from the hot water supply line before running a dishwasher, particularly in North America, to ensure the water reaches the optimal enzymatic temperature needed for effective cleaning. This is further reinforced by showing how adding pre-wash detergent dramatically improves the initial cleaning phase, especially with fats and oils.

  • suprjami 4 hours ago

    Thanks for the summary.

    American dishwashers don't have their own heater? All dishwashers I've seen in Australia only have cold water supply.

    • Rebelgecko 3 hours ago

      American dishwashers are typically hooked up to hot water. Some will have heaters but they're not that powerful and they may only run for the main wash cycle

    • devilbunny 3 hours ago

      They do. I didn't realize this until my natural gas supply company decided to replace my meter on a Friday. Without alerting me ahead of time so that I could, you know, plan to be gone while my house had no hot water.

      Whenever natural gas supply is turned off in the US, for any reason, only the gas company can turn it back on. And they can't do so if there's a leak at all. You have to call a plumber to come out, detect the leaks, and fix them. After that, you can call the gas company to come back out (but not on a weekend) to turn it back on. And a same-day request for service requires someone to be home ALL DAY after it's called in.

      And this is how I ended up showering at work for three days that week after not having had one over the weekend.

      • thomascountz an hour ago

        As an American expat, I will use this story to explain the indignities of living in America. Thank you for sharing!

    • WheatMillington 2 hours ago

      Same in NZ, never seen a dishwasher with a hot water connection.

      • Titan2189 an hour ago

        If you check the manual you might find that you can hook the single inlet pipe up to the hot water tap.

    • vel0city 3 hours ago

      A dishwasher cycle is usually only going to run for a specific period of time. Its more effective it if starts that time closer to the proper temperature rather than relying on waiting for the heater to get the temperature up to that time. Especially on the pre-rinse cycle, where the heater may or (probably) many not engage.

    • midnitewarrior 4 hours ago

      They do, but they are generally confined to 10 amps, so they do not heat quickly.

    • reaperducer 2 hours ago

      American dishwashers don't have their own heater?

      Some do, some don't.

      The ones that do vary in ability by overall dishwasher quality.

      The ones that don't are hooked up to the kitchen's hot water line.

      This is considered more energy efficient because a home's hot water heater (whether electric, gas, or another fuel) is better at heating the water in a bulk capacity than a tiny heater in the dishwasher.

      The downside is that the cold water between the big water heater and the dishwasher has to be purged first for it to be really effective. If your hot water heater is in the other side of the wall, no problem. If it's six rooms away, problem.

      • WheatMillington 2 hours ago

        Hot water from the house supply isn't that hot though? My dishwasher gets MUCH hotter than the hot water supply... and I don't think the heater is "tiny" I think it's a rather substantial element. The dishwasher also doesn't need to heat up a "bulk" amount of water, just the amount of water used for washing the current load of dishes.

        • reaperducer 2 hours ago

          Hot water from the house supply isn't that hot though?

          Depends on how you have it set. My current and previous hot water heaters had thermostats which permitted adjusting the temperature.

          They also had warning labels on them about scalding water. If it's hot enough to scald, it's hot enough.

          The dishwasher also doesn't need to heat up a "bulk" amount of water, just the amount of water used for washing the current load of dishes.

          If you're washing dishes and someone is, or has recently, taken a shower; or someone is, or has recently, done laundry; or someone is, or has recently shaved or done any of the other dozen things that draw from the hot water heater, then the water is already hot and available and doesn't need to be heated all the way from cold by the dishwasher. A properly insulated hot water heater can retain heat for quite some time.

RealityVoid 4 hours ago

I've found it harder and harder to find powder dishwasher detergent in my country. I think they intentionally pull them off the market, I used to buy a large Finish container and now I can barely find a place that sells _any_ sort of dishwashing powder.

  • NamTaf 2 hours ago

    I, too, went through like 18 months in the UK with the big stores not selling any until one reintroduced it recently. Alternatives on the internet were like 3+x the price, at least. It was incredibly frustrating. I now stock up and have 2-3 boxes of the stuff, in case it does vanish again.

    Doubly frustrating since mine is a small, single-drawer dishwasher, so pods are even worse since I can't break them down. It leads to me having way too much detergent in the dishwasher and I end up with residue on the dishes.

    • gattilorenz 2 hours ago

      Or… use a (dirty) knife to split a solid tab; put 2/3 in the dishwasher compartment and 1/3 just in the dishwasher.

      • valeena an hour ago

        I thought about it but wasn't sure if it would really do the trick. I kinda don't wanna buy more detergent right now because I'm stuck with a lot of pods

ErroneousBosh 2 hours ago

I wonder if that's why my now something like nearly 40-year-old dishwasher is so bad for leaking, on certain cycles? Maybe the pods foam up too much, because it seems hell of a foamy inside.

At some point, I'll maybe post up the pics of repairing the door hinges - previously it was leaking badly because the chunky metal hinges had cracked and bent, pushing the door up enough to not squash the bottom lip seal. Unobtainable parts now, but if you have a welder...

If you don't use a JTAG cable and a MIG welder on the same project in the same day, can you really call yourself "full stack"?

  • smileysteve 2 hours ago

    At 40 years, there is an expectation that the rubber and most plastic components have become embrittled. The hinges likely only wore out after the spring had reduced function (and lack of lubrication)

    After your weld, I hope you consider replacing all rubber with silicone, and add lubrication to at least an annual list.